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Recently, Gov. Ron DeSantis sat down with me for a one-hour interview.
I started by praising him for keeping Florida largely open during Covid.
"I just had to make the decision as a leader," says DeSantis. "Are you gonna worry about the daily news cycle? Worry about your personal popularity? … I did not know how it was going to work out politically. I was going to do what I thought was right."
That worked well for Floridians. "If you look at excess mortality, we were the lowest in the Sunbelt and (had) lower excess mortality than California and New York."
In addition, since the pandemic started, Florida gained more than 500,000 jobs. My state, New York, lost more than 200,000. Florida opened schools quickly. As a result, kids suffered less learning loss. Good for DeSantis.
DeSantis also banned mask mandates.
"Some local police departments were going to fine people … We kneecap them with our clemency power … no penalties for wearing a mask or not. It's your choice."
"Your choice" is a great thing. But DeSantis' laws and executive orders often "limit" choice. Today no Florida business may require its customers wear masks or show proof of vaccination.
I push back. "If it's "my" business and I'm scared … why can't I?"
"You do have freedom to choose, but so do individuals," answers DeSantis. "In Florida, we've just consistently sided with the individual."
But people who own businesses or who want to be surrounded by masks are individuals, too.
Florida does give parents a choice when it comes to picking a school. In fact, thanks to DeSantis, Florida leads the nation in school choice, offering parents $8,000 scholarships they can take to a better school. So why can't parents choose a school with a mask mandate?
"Because it's irrational," replies DeSantis. "Hysteria took over evidence-based analysis … the policy shouldn't be based on fear."
No, it shouldn't be. But while mask mandates were often irrational, and possibly harmful to children, one-size-fits-all rules are harmful, too.
I change the topic to immigration.
Last summer, DeSantis flew 50 migrants to Martha's Vineyard -- a stunt meant to expose the hypocrisy of places declaring themselves "sanctuary" jurisdictions.
"Liberal elites … don't ever face any of the consequences," complains DeSantis. "Towns in Texas are getting overrun."
Media called his stunt "cruel." A lawyer for migrants criticized DeSantis for not phoning "Martha's Vineyard so that even the most basic human needs arrangements could be made."
I read that to DeSantis. He replies, "Do you think these Texas border towns are having people call ahead?!"
"Most of those people that went to the vineyard," he adds, "were thankful to be in that area … They were not treated well by Biden."
Today's favorite media "hate-DeSantis" topic is his Parental Rights in Education law. Critics smear it by calling it the "Don't Say Gay" law.